“A lot of artists can prepare themselves, but sometimes they don’t” – Aruna Bataa

Aruna Bataa

Today, I have the pleasure to introduce a performer who was born into a family of circus artists. She was born in Mongolia, and soon moved to Brazil together with her parents. Travelling up and down the country with a traditional circus, she started training and eventually performing alongside with her family. When she graduated from high school, her parents settled down to allow her to go to university and become a lawyer. Halfway through her studies Cirque de Soleil knocked on her door and offered her a job. What should she do? Accept this offer or finish her degree that she had already put so much work into? Well, there is only one way to find out. Listen to this new episode and welcome the handstand artist and contortionist Aruna Bataa!

Please find the transcript of our conversation below:

Mongolia, people, brazil, circus, handstands, big, performing, business, training, career, coach, happy, contortion, leggings, work, growing up, parents, ballet dancers, entrepreneurship, cirque de soleil, culture
Aruna Bataa, Harald Krytinar

Aruna Bataa 00:00
When I was a performer, I think we were, we can be very self-centred, right? Like we just think about us. Us on stage, us outside of stage our body, our mental health our days are alive. Our it’s very much our our our, and where’s that don’t have this “our” anymore. like okay I have this power the things that can do it is not just about myself and actually it’s nothing to do with myself anymore and the background, the backstage doing, you know all the things, which I really enjoy as well.

Harald Krytinar 00:41
Hi, and welcome to the maintain years podcast. I’m Harald and I bring to you stories from dances in stage artists who share their experiences about career transition. Today, I have the pleasure to introduce to a performer who was born into a family of circus artists. She was born in Mongolia and soon moved to Brazil, together with her parents. Travelling up and down the country with a traditional circus, she started training and eventually performing alongside with her family. When she graduated from high school, her parents settled down to allow her to go to university and become a lawyer. But halfway through her studies Cirque de Soleil knocked on her door and offered her job. What should she do accept this offer or finish her degree that she had already put so much work into? Well, there’s only one way to find out. Listen to this new episode and welcome the hand stand artist and contortionists Aruna Bataa!

Aruna Bataa 01:32
Hi, this video, I’m happy to be here in this program.

Harald Krytinar 01:36
Hi Aruna! Thank you very much for taking the time. I really appreciate that. It’s wonderful to have you on the show. Maybe you could just start by, you know, telling me and telling us. Where are you today?

Aruna Bataa 01:47
Yeah, today, I’m in Australia, in Adelaide. It’s about 6:30pm, here.

Harald Krytinar 01:54
you’re not like today, but this is not where you were born. And maybe you can just give us a bit of a background. And there’s something special about having you on the program as well today because I had a lot of dancers and we spoke a lot about ballet dancers who considered you know, career development. But actually, classical ballet is not your first discipline. So maybe you could just tell us a bit. What’s your background?

Aruna Bataa 02:15
Alright, so I’m from Mongolia originally, but I grew up in Brazil. My grandfather and my father were working in the circus before. So I used to go to the circus with them, and they used to be mesmerized by the circus environment, and especially by the contortionists. So when I saw the contortionist, I just wanted to become a contortionist straight away, because I loved it. I thought they were cool. Whenever you were like four or five years old, you think, Wow, that’s amazing. I just want to do that now for the rest of my life. And that was pretty much it. But it was like, love in the first time, they just become a contortionist. But however, when I was growing up, obviously, my dad is Russian, so he’s a bit taller than the male, that British male, and my dad already knew that I will become a bit taller than the contortionist and stuff, like the average height and size of it. So then my parents were like, maybe that’s not going to be your thing, maybe you’re gonna be, you know, left out, just because not because you’re not gonna be good at it. But just because you’re physically going to be a bit different than the others. And then sometimes, in conclusion, they have some certain, you know, sizes they need to respect, just be better into this discipline. Um, but anyway, I didn’t want to listen to that kind of stuff when I was a kid like, not that that does make sense to me as soon as I do it. But and I started training a little, when it was all five in Mongolia, didn’t succeed quite well, at that time, everything was hard. I was really stiff. I know a lot of girls in Mongolia, they are very, very flexible. Naturally, I was not very flexible. Naturally, I was very stiff naturally. So I think everything was really hard. But even though I was going to trainings, and still there, and to my dream to become a composer didn’t die. But then my parents moved to Brazil, they have seven because my dad got a contract in a circus in Brazil. And then I stopped training contortion with the contortionist coach, and in that contortion school in Mongolia, and my dad took over my trainings. So my dad had a really good base as a, as a foreigner as a big man as a base to lay so as a strong man, and he had a really good knowledge and pen stance. So on that time, he was like, okay, so you want to become a contortionist. But maybe you want to become – I’m going to teach you handstands as well, because just in case if you ever have some problems that your back Korea in the down the line, you can still do handstands, you know, so I think I learned both at the same time with him. And I don’t remember having pain or anything like regarding my contortion trainings with him because I was really, really distracted. I was having fun and well I like nine years old, I was performing already in a circus in the traditional circus and then that was okay that’s happening. And I super happy to be performing things are going well. And then we were travelling a lot with the circus because it was a traditional circus so we struggled in Thai Brazil, with the circus changing circus back in the days 95 to 2000 circus was a really, really strong thing I guess it was strong culture more than now. So I think was really, really popular amongst Brazil and amongst Europe and Asia. And no, no I always went to school as well always changes schools change, changes, cities change schools, change the country’s science, then we were me and my brother were getting older and then we need to go to university so my parents decided to stop travelling to stay in somewhere.

Aruna Bataa 06:18
So we could go to the university so I went to the University, pass my mind exam to become a lawyer. So I start start studying go. And then during that time, I was trained, I always trained really hard. I was always passionate about handstands and proportion. And my friends were like, I don’t know you should be working circulate because when you do, it’s amazing. Yeah, no, I don’t think so. Ever circuits really would contact me because I’m not that good. Anyways, I do it because I like it. Probably. I’m really good in Brazil. But I don’t think so I’m really good compared to the rest of the people in the world. And so like now send your stuff send your demo. Back in the days we used to send our things online, our DVD or demo and then they used to be by email, call us. Send it and then six months later, like See, I told you they never gonna call me they don’t need anybody like me. I’m not that good. and I are gonna become a lawyer. Who cares? Really? I’m really happy with how things going right now. Then, eight months later, they called me I was I was in vacation Mongolia, and I got back and people in Brazil like I don’t know. Everybody’s looking for you. Oh, like What happened? I was on vacation. It was Mongolia like he knew that. No, but seriously was Chicago I was to hire like no you kidding me? Like Yeah, it’s true. Like they are looking after you. And then they call so and finally they called me and then they will not to like hire me for a short season in Brazil or somebody got hurt. So it was like a three to four-month contract. But I was like, Oh yeah, that’s amazing. Let’s do it. Let’s just have a taste and I don’t want to give up my law and university my degree because I’m already halfway so it’s to like another halfway will be like a lawyer. But yeah, let’s do like as a holiday vacation thing in the continent, I used to work there, I acknowledge Go for it. We know you’re not going to lose your job is going to be paid, that’s fine. So they’ve supported me really, really well. And then I went to two down was my first show, I did a solo act. It was crazy. I was 19 at the time, the things I ever performed at such a big stage with so much production. I did the same thing, the same skills and stuff, but the whole production rate dancers, the musicians, the live music, the lights, everything was so amazing. And I was really really nervous. But I did it and then I was like super happy when they finished the contract. They now feel accomplished in my in my circus career and now I can retire become a lawyer happier with things. So ended here and gotcha experiment. I got you this joke, still a dream and stuff. Right? And then another six months later, they contact me to offer me another contract. Like it’s really tempting, I think you’re gonna go because I really like this feeling, I really like Cirque de Soleil. And I just felt like, sometimes whenever you have the support of a big company behind you, in supporting, doing what you do, you’re not caring about your career or your art in general. You feel really, really valued. You feel really, really happy. And like it’s very rewarding for you to work for a company that they actually value what you do.

Harald Krytinar 09:48
You mentioned the artistic appreciation that you experienced and how was that for you for your personality?

Aruna Bataa 09:54
Yeah, it was really rewarding to be working in that kind of company. Because I think it was the first time that I did didn’t feel like I was out of the out of my place because throughout my whole childhood I was traveling. I was in a circus you know and living a life totally different than a normal childhood live changes schools. I don’t even know how many schools that changed probably more than hundreds during that time, so I find it like I was the black sheep, you know, always in my life, because I am a circus kid. And I know they’re gonna laugh about me when I say, the circus. I know they’re gonna ask me to do things when I say what I do. Like all these things I already developed in my mind when I was kid is gonna ask me where I’m from Mongolia, they’re gonna make jokes about Mongolia. They’re gonna make jokes on my name, all these things, it just build up, you know, back in the days didn’t have bullying, but kids to bully each other regardless, right? By you just surviving like, yeah, who cares? Really, it’s just one school. Two months later, I’m going to be in another school, maybe there will be better, who knows? But then when it got to Cirque, I never felt that way. I felt like everybody’s different. Everybody has a different way. Everybody’s from circus everybody’s “strange”, everybody who – no one makes fun of out of your name out of your country or what what you did before, you know, everything was good. I will say God, that’s really strange, all the odd people in one place, like okay, I think I go over here. So I was really happy with that actually.

Aruna Bataa 11:33
That’s one of the things that I tried – I stayed in the company for so long, just because I felt like I belonged there. Finally, I met my group of people they’re like sort of belong, hang down and make friendship and everything. Anyway 10 years passed by changing few Cirque de Soleil shows. And then after such a bank will be closed off to bunco because the performer for so many years, and then they start performing for over the ocean and hand balancer. So I was doing two solo acts and my last contract my last show because since I knew handstands and contortions, they were like, oh yeah, you’re like, sort of two talents to two disciplines in one person. So let’s do that I learned a lot throughout this last contract, learn how to coach did a certification in Pilates, personal trainers, and also learned how the company sort of tried, I always try to learn how the company really works. Obviously, the business side of it, we don’t have much access to it, but you always can chat about it. The logistics always interested me very, very much how they traveled this whole stuff from one place to another, or like even visa situations. There is like 100 people who need visas to go to another countries on how this whole process works. So I was intrigued me and I was super curious. And then COVID happens so being here in Adelaide since March last year. So obviously the first few months were like that, it’s gonna just take a couple of months, right? So everybody’s gonna go back to work and didn’t happen and everybody got laid off but the end and maybe now we try to return slowly, but the world is not ready just yet. But throughout last year, I felt like I lived a really really good time actually not late we didn’t have much lockdown happening, building deal with the pandemic much but except we live in our little island in a bubble. So we just interact with each other and the people in the bubble. So it was good. So did a few online classes is to build up my online business. Doing my coaching online was quite challenging at the first place because obviously, contortion and handstands are very much hands on, you want to support the person you want to stretch the contortionist , who wants to become one of course, and I need to understand the drills in my body which exercises, which drills would give the same stretching the same outcome to find that skill. So it’s a really great process. I learned a lot with that. And then now I’m a big fan of online coaching. So I think there’s a great result. People are very much into it with a lot of effort whenever there’s the coaches online, and they get a lot stronger. So then on the side is like that that little money from the coaching is not enough so I need to think of something else then build my little activewear shop as a side because nowadays, I understood doing some researchers that you don’t have to put big money up front to make a business to build a business you can actually start your business 00 money, you know and see how it actually it turns ou. How quickly you can set up your business, how fast you can grow in your business. So I never had any upfront money and never actually bought any clothing, just like nothing, everything was online looking online researching, and then set up everything right. And obviously the monthly pays this cell is going to cover the monthly fees and stuff and if there’s something left over, then I would start investing and buy things and work more on the marketing side aspect of it because obviously if we don’t have the product yourself, how are we going to watch it? So now it’s like okay, there’s money, I guess it start investing in doing the marketing, purchasing actually the products I want to sell, and, you know, build up a better, better customer service thing. It’s a whole process that I needed to go through, even like to build the whole website, it takes so many details, like, you know, writing a refund policy to a shipping policy terms and conditions, like how do you write that you have to create all these websites like, Okay, how do I do, you know, like, I cannot just copy and paste from one company, because they’re different.

Aruna Bataa 16:09
So yeah, it’s still on the process to work on a lot in the foundation on the layout of the page of the business aspect, and the coach’s show happening. And finally, I can start working in Australia after a year, I finally decided to apply for a residency in Australia, why not? Who knows how long we’re going to be stuck here in Australia. So then I can actually physically teach some teaching circus cause well, and interested in teaching more, but also, they’re one of the first of teaching and the business already gives me permission to just to stay comfortable where I am. Obviously, if I want to make more money, then I have to work more a little harder. But still, like I don’t want to start work basically just yet, because I still want to make sure that their online business goes well work on the foundation, then once it’s done, then I can like alright, just handle it, you know, good, minimal, do their orders and stuff, but don’t have to worry too much in marketing, or how the refund policy is gonna work or how you know how the terms and conditions what the word is, has to be there.

Harald Krytinar 17:18
Wow, okay, so I mean, how did you feel when you started to run the business then?

Aruna Bataa 17:23
So the first few weeks I was like, having the shakes hard time every customer like, Where’s my orders..; oh my gosh. Where is the order like struggling? And is normal? Because you never needed to deal with that kind of stuff? price? Like, oh my gosh, did they get lost or happened the manufacturer didn’t send by now like after having feel like okay, he’s gonna get there, don’t worry, it’s taking a while it’s COVID and things like that, that you get used to it, that kind of stuff. That’s my story..

Harald Krytinar 17:54
Yeah, that’s your story and what a story it is. Let me ask you, I mean, have you stopped performing or together.

Aruna Bataa 18:02
Still performing and I’m still willing to perform here in Australia hopefully, but like, you know, there’s not many big big production shows happening that meet professional artists. Whenever actually, you become I guess for ballet dancers really become really good. And what do you do, there’s so many few spots left for you to work because you’re like, actually have too much experience or they cannot afford you to pay obviously. So not gonna, like get big cuts in your payments or rather not do it right. So that’s the dilemma that actually a lot of professional people will go and for surfaces the same thing that you get actually too professional for the market. And then sometimes the money is not even that what so decides, but do it right? Or they know already, they can never be able to afford you the offer the job odd produce shops. And so the kitchen is a good thing, at least I wanna pass my knowledge to the kids, you know, and, like, give them away big wake up call that whenever they come to a big company, like whenever they want to work for a big company or a small company or any kind of company, or even have their own business. They’re not gonna be it’s not gonna be flowers all the time. It’s not gonna be love, hours and passion and that there’s gonna be queues. There’s gonna be some bad stuff happening and you got to be strong to survive those things. I’m not gonna say circlet was amazing the whole time. I really really struggled at the beginning. Have interested by myself. 20 years old, super young in each day, traveling the world don’t have your parents always stay with your parents. Your My dad was my coach didn’t have my coach had a God-know-who coach it is in my life who doesn’t understand much about me or about what I do, but he was my coach. So all these things you have to pass through right? So I think you got to be very mentally strong and then if I had people actually tell me that’s gonna happen this is gonna happen but don’t worry you’re going to be able to deal with there I think would have helped a lot but you know I think that’s just the beauty of your career and your dispatchers data live this kind of crazy performance well they guess Valley was not a big thing. I always try to I remember my Saltimbanco our district director was they’re all dancers are they all danceres like I don’t know, I know this is how you’re straight You’re much better you can sense but whenever you walk, we see that your are a hand balancer. So they have to work a lot with my dancers skills or my stage presence in general because it’s whole combination, right? It’s not just about being great hand balancer and contortionist and not just being great dancer. It’s a whole movement process happening. So I needed to really bet break down my movements and get more of this stage presence and performance feeling like so all this ten years teach me great things but yeah, wasn’t everything perfect as I said before I had struggle moments but in the end it was really worth while.

Harald Krytinar 21:18
Wow. Thank you very much for sharing that I think it’s the way you told it also brought so many images to my mind just all those different impressions that obviously there are many more I’m sure but you shared some of them and thank you so much for it because it was so wonderful to take me on this journey. I am also very curious about one thing that really stuck out it’s been such a diverse mix of activities that you have engaged in and I just wonder how do you for yourself choose within all those different opportunities or choices How do you eventually then say well this is the one thing I will actually try out now how do you come to those decisions.

Aruna Bataa 22:05
Yes, so I think the active wear one, was like I came up with it because I used to wear, I still wear I thing 80% of the day active wear like at home leggings you know just sports bra because it’s just more comfortable I can do actually some training and then go straight away to something else or go to the shops now it’s such a big big thing before it used to be activated just by the chain just for training no one goes to the supermarket no one goes to go out with active work everybody’s changed clothes for now everybody’s wearing as a fashion right and I get it they’re nice and then I read I was actually really fan of leggings so before this I think I have like about 20 to 30 pairs of leggings. Different colors, different textures, you know, high raise, low raise, you name it I had it all I’m just – I’m a girl I like to shop as well, so whenever I see something cute or like like those and then I guess also if you work in a professional environment, you also want to make sure they were in something proper is not very stuffy. I don’t know I think because I grew up in Brazil I think I had a lot of aesthetics implemented in my mind because Brazil is very much everything’s about aesthetics right I got to look at you gotta look this, you gotta look that. I never really got used to with that kind of because it was part of my growing up you know teenagers to young adults that’s the biggest you know, we have thought about this culture so I had that in my mind I’m not saying I’m really vain, person but the image I was really concerned about the image or I was aware of the image as good as I was a bit concerned but I wasn’t aware of my image and I was like if I’m wearing gym clothes all day, they’re gonna be nice really because I cannot wear something else might as well be comfortable or colorful or things like that. So that was the thing that could actually if nothing else, it was just for fun. I don’t know I’m not 60 then boom the business but it’s just for fun. I would like to share this and I like to find different stuff like different clothing like different the ones I started was like colourful leggings, so I like those. Like I personally like those leggings so, ok I’m gonna sell what I like and sometimes not many people like with like and I get it so you want to offer a different way. That’s the process not many people have the same taste as you . You learn really hard whenever you own a business. Everybody’s gonna like this like this, no, just you are the only person who likes that. Okay, so I had to offer some But anyway, it’s a good aspect of it. And it’s interesting to, like you hear about, you read articles about people, succeeding people, starting businesses out of the blue with nowhere had nothing to do with business and just can’t take successes.

Harald Krytinar 25:16
So why did you start the business? When you did?

Aruna Bataa 25:19
Why, not? I have the time during this time, it’s perfect. I’m not, I’m not performing, performing was really big, I used to train me a lot, obviously going to shows, pretty shows. Having that, you know, being fit being a have to stay fit throughout this whole performances, having to deliver 100% perfect show every night, it was a very draining and mental draining, I didn’t have time to think about side jobs, gonna have a hobby and build a whole business, something like that, right? Now I do now I have, like, I’m just training in my training room. What as I do, you know, I don’t have that kind of, maybe I don’t have the psychological pressure they used to have it for maybe I’m creating these my mind. And I know, but I think it’s definitely it’s something that if people, maybe it’s an outlet of me, like trying to stimulate my brain, how it used to be, I don’t know. But it’s definitely challenging in a way that it used to be challenging when it was performing. So I think brain-wise, activity wise, I’m still, you know, doing everything actually 200% more busier than I was before. If I go back to perform, it would be like, on holidays, they’re just going to be the one thing, and now I’m doing zero things. But they’re all fun, you know, they’re all versatile. They’re all just coaching online. coaching. Personally, the circus school was so much fun working with kids. And then doing the business aspect, I think it’s just like a game, you know, you go into computer interface, you find stuff, everything’s very different. So I think it’s, I enjoy each of that, you know, I’d like a personal hobby, I don’t know, but now don’t get lost. But I do have like, I have all this stuff to do in a day. And that’s it.

Harald Krytinar 27:13
What I heard actually was that there’s a lot of analysis going into your decision-making, you seem to find the time to inspire yourself and to inform yourself about what’s out there what other people have done, I think you seem to invest that time. So it doesn’t just all come to you, you seem to actively action best to find your answer. So topics that interest you, and then you investigate. That’s, I think what I understood as well. So it is very active process in that sense.

Aruna Bataa 27:39
Yeah, and I think also, when I was at the firm, I think we were, we can be very self-centred, right? Like we just think about us as on stage as outside of state of worry, our mental health our days are alive, our it’s very much our our and whereas I don’t have this hour anymore. Sounds like okay, I have this power, the things I can do it is not just about myself anymore, actually, it’s nothing to do with myself anymore on the background, the backstage doing, you know, all the things, which I really enjoy as well. So I think it’s nice to get out of the spotlight a little bit and to see what actually the backstage, you know, people work in the background, though, for a living and what they have to go through. So it’s a good Good, good learning process. Definitely. And yeah, I definitely have the time to do this. Sometimes you read things, and you just gotta act, right? Like it’s not about reading, that person succeeded and talk to your friend. If you want to do it, just do it. Like there’s, as I say, you don’t need to have money to start your own business nowadays is really really funny. Back in the days, yes, you need to invest or when now if you have maybe $100 probably can already start your own business straight away. And that’s just a gamble. Yeah, it’s $100 gamble. But people gamble with $100 with the casino anyway, even more so. It’s gonna be a good gap in I don’t know, hello is gonna be a bad one. But as soon as experience and the more you learn, the more you want to learn, right? Like, even though sometimes those one thing doesn’t succeed. Maybe one product didn’t go well sure wanna learn why did it go? Well, wasn’t missing marketing wasn’t missing. What I did wrong, so so explore is still very stubborn or like, what did I do? That I didn’t work out well. So things like that.

Harald Krytinar 29:46
So how do you think your entrepreneurial initiatives and you enterpreneur your spirit, how does it connect with your work as a performer,

Aruna Bataa 29:53
they think it is just the nature of like me being active and trying to do Other things, right? I don’t have the performance, I will be loving to have our world back to normal and perform and not having to think anything else. But I don’t have that. So I still have to stay occupied, and my life has to go on. And I think it’s a big wake up call for me to say, hey, one day, you literally gonna get old lady not gonna be able to do any contortions then, so prepare yourself even better. I think a lot of artists put then says, Jim, that they can prepare themselves, but sometimes they don’t. So they don’t, they don’t have savings, they don’t have investments, they don’t have that they think they, you know, that said that, we’re gonna just leave now the world, everything’s gonna end today. And then they just want to spend everything and all that. I will say that when I was young, but then I changed. But there’s a lot of people that don’t change, you know, so I think this is a big wake up call for our industry. Yeah, we have to have a plan B all the time for us. And for me, I want to have Plan B, C, D, all the plans possible, I just see which one works out better?

Harald Krytinar 31:13
Well, I think it’s so inspiring to hear you say that, you know, even the experiences when you were young, you said moving around from one school to the other that obviously, you know, must have been very difficult sometimes, and you couldn’t choose who you would meet and how they would actually treat you and how they would interact with you. And some of them, you know, what you would call today a bully, you know, they were just making fun of because they could, there was no reason really, but you still seem to be able to you turn it all into something that serves you today, in a way you managed to make it, you know, take that experience and help you move forward today. Is that just your way of seeing the word? Or is that something you’ve actually worked on yourself in order to, you know, to not just pretend that it’s something good, you know, because something bad isn’t good, but you somehow managed to make that force that works for you.

Aruna Bataa 32:01
And I never really thought of it, I never really thought of it. But I think that’s just how I really grew up. Because I guess, during my growing up time, work in a circus Sunday’s is gonna be really bad. And then just you have to perform or, you know, still, like life goes on, what are you going to do? So I think also saw in my parents, my parents taught me a lot how they were acting, obviously, sometimes things were not good with them, and how they actually will work to make things better. So I think that simple process, maybe, unconsciously, I was like, No, I don’t know, I don’t remember, you know, like, yes, things. Can it is bad, could be worse. But it is okay. It’s gonna be okay. You know, so I don’t know, I think it was something that well, what how can I say this something that you just shouldn’t lose your hope? In a way, you know, like, you should have paid them what’s happening? You know, so you can take a while, it could take months, years, but things will improve like, Oh, well, if nothing else you accepted. And then that’s it a solution? For your step, both things improve, there is no other way. Right? Like, if you’re gonna overcome some bad situation, you’re gonna have the specialist bad and wrong, or the situation just equals sell. So I think, yeah, moving on, or learning a step thing was very part of it. And I guess, when having my dad as a coach was really, really hard, like, because he would just obviously, he would notice, like if you saw throughout my major career, life, so if we go out to get some friends, you know, things like that, who would know that I was fired in the next day for a performance and I go watch the performance you would say, if I was shaking, you’re not. And if I did pretty good show is I can that’s your best hope for somebody who went up last night is like, yeah, that’s right. We can go out and do a show. So I think there was like psychological games that we did. That helped me with my attitude. I think so. Yeah. But we’re still very close. I’m still very close to my parents. And obviously, not everybody’s life’s perfect but we deal with holidays you know, so it is it is that we cannot like the good or the other good aspect of burning up in Brazil is that we learn so much about other people. There’s so much poverty in Brazil that like, and these people have a red personality no matter how bad the situation is, they can still make jokes because chilla is to dance and you know, they still have a very good spirit might not happen in minute zero minute page that doesn’t stop before each laugh to dance to make jokes or just you know, like you’re gonna find out so I think that’s the name that’s the basic matrix their length Brazil. And I think that’s the energy that I love about these people right like Brazilian people Brazilian culture. And that’s one of the things I’m very happy to have that sort of up energy all the time even though if you like in a really bad situation still like this make a joke at least to laugh a little

Harald Krytinar 35:34
wonderful, you know, to slowly wrap up maybe I would just like to ask if there’s anything else that you would like to share when it you know, like you said, You’re still an artist put on pause at the moment because of the circumstances but you consider you’ll be happy to go back and you can you will still continue some years you have already taken some steps to prepare maybe some careers on the side, which you’ve tested and done some of them already. And I just wonder for you, you know, the topic of career transition, or career development, you know, is there anything else that came to mind during our talk that you would like to share?

Aruna Bataa 36:09
Well, I would like to share for those who are afraid to start a whole new thing, you know, have their insecurities have their thoughts on themselves? Don’t doubt you know, like, do it go through the process, I think and they still want to do it is to passion about it. Like negativity is not going to help you so like, when I wanted to become a contortion my dad, my parents, like now you’re gonna be different, I’m going to be good at it. Like I didn’t care like that’s the innocence of a kid that you just don’t care what an adult they just don’t respect feel you don’t understand ethic it’s a really good thing about kids, right? Like that. Don’t say that, that’s not gonna happen. Because doesn’t make sense. And like, word doesn’t make sense. I want it’s possible. It’s just you up to the right. So I think that’s the message that I really really like to tell people that people might say no to, you might not believe it, but still keep pushing yourself, you might achieve it. And then if nothing else is just going to be great, great learning process yourself, then you might take to your real career, or you might take to another path take my fault. So all these new things, open up their eyes, open up the brain, you know, see what’s happening around you around the world, how many people are managing to survive, making business making their living, you know, just have a look Don’t be so self-centred in whatever they would have done, who you are, who you work for, you know, we obviously I have a really good CV but still without them. I’m nobody I’m just like, just like everyone else. So doesn’t make me any different, right? I just had a really good background. For right now at the moment everybody is saying so try to explore yourself and don’t give up that you know, and be creative, have fun, and it’s something that makes you have fun that makes you laugh, makes me enjoy then it’s gonna be that’s the job that you want to take us to business they want to do this day gives a little bit of report of happiness of achievement, keep doing because it’s gonna just grow and grow and they probably that’s gonna be a little bit more, you’re inside and they want us to do more and more. So yeah,

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